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obviously bill clinton comes to mind, he excelled in those debates. >> bill clinton was the master of the town hall format. he made such a great, strong emotional connection with the people asking the questions. just in an absolutely masterful way. i think it favors candidates who have that particular style, but what it does tend to do is discourage a lot of attacks among the candidates on the stage, because it's really hard to do that, it's hard to pull that off when you've got a group of citizens who are there to ask their questions. that's not a very good venue for one candidate to launch an attack against another. >> one of the side notes from last night was governor romney's big bird reference on twitter, it's been talked about ad infinitum today. you say governor romney has a history of making cultural references or pop culture references that don't necessarily help his message. how so? >> well, you know, his pop culture references are just a little off somehow. they're out of date in some ways. during the primary debates, he made a reference to, that as governor of massachusett
obviously bill clinton comes to mind, he excelled in those debates. >> bill clinton was the master of the town hall format. he made such a great, strong emotional connection with the people asking the questions. just in an absolutely masterful way. i think it favors candidates who have that particular style, but what it does tend to do is discourage a lot of attacks among the candidates on the stage, because it's really hard to do that, it's hard to pull that off when you've got a group...
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bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >> the bush people are getting very, very tired of hearing that the president did not hit a home run last night. >> so at this point as a nation, in our entire history as a country, we have had four national attempts of a challenger making his television debate debut against the sitting president of the united states. and after doing this four times as a nation, the record for incumbent presidents facing these challengers is 0-4. okay. so now 1996, incumbent president is that now not as young man from arkansas, bill clinton, and his challenger that year is bob dole. did bob dole really beat incumbent bill clinton in their first debate? actually, no
bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >> the bush people are getting very, very tired of hearing that the president did not...
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you have to raise taxes on the middle class, as bill clinton says, it's simple math. >> they'll say, though, that you can do that. there are other studies. i know the one to which you're referring. >> prove it. erin, prove it. >> you can't prove either side is all i'm saying. one thing that's not true is the $5 trillion tax cut. >> i disagree with you. you can prove it. they're counting entirely on economic fwroet to pay for a tax cut, which is an interesting theory. that's what george bush did. look how that turned out. >>hey're saying closing loopholes and economic growth, both. i understand you disagree with t i'm making the point of what you're saying. >> that still leaves you at least $1 trillion short. the math does not work with what they're saying. and they won't name those deductions. not a single deduction that they will close because they know it's bad for their politics. at the end of the day, this is the center. this is the core of mitt romney's economic policy. last night, he walked away from it, said he didn't have a $5 trillion tax cut. he does. that's what lowering t
you have to raise taxes on the middle class, as bill clinton says, it's simple math. >> they'll say, though, that you can do that. there are other studies. i know the one to which you're referring. >> prove it. erin, prove it. >> you can't prove either side is all i'm saying. one thing that's not true is the $5 trillion tax cut. >> i disagree with you. you can prove it. they're counting entirely on economic fwroet to pay for a tax cut, which is an interesting theory....
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hillary clinton. what is her greatest achievement? let's see the picture you took of her. i hear you had to cut through the staff to get to it. that's great photography. >> thank you. i wanted to give it to her for the campaign. >> she's had a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of the office. but your thoughts about her as a person and public figure? >> she's very gracious, she's very brilliant and we are so lucky to have her as our -- >> my feeling about hillary, i take it back again, i really do, because politics is rough and journalism and politics is tough but every time i'm with her, i just fall for her. there's a charm for that person that doesn't come across on tvs as well as it should. your thoughts, senator? >> well, she is. she's brilliant. but she is also real. when i first got here in the house and then my husband and i married and i was expecting twins, you know, the president and secretary clinton invited us over for dinner. we went upstairs and had chicken in the residence quarters and she had
hillary clinton. what is her greatest achievement? let's see the picture you took of her. i hear you had to cut through the staff to get to it. that's great photography. >> thank you. i wanted to give it to her for the campaign. >> she's had a rough time traveling the world every three minutes but she'll look like that again when she gets out of the office. but your thoughts about her as a person and public figure? >> she's very gracious, she's very brilliant and we are so...
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bring bill clinton as his debate coach." that's one person's opinion of the matter. nevertheless, no chance in that happening, but we know from what david axelrod has said and others, there will likely be a strategy change for the president in the next debate. >> no one knows why the president didn't do as well. i think that you're going to see a more focused president obama. actually, a more focused obama campaign team on preparation. this is a conversation we had about mitt romney and a lot of things he said shouldn't have been too surprising given all the republican debates we had seen over the past year or so. and president obama was caught flat-footed, his campaign was flat-footed. we'll see if the adjustments they end up making as david axelrod promised. >> what's the early word on the vice presidential debates? you have democrats off the record worried knowing that biden could give a make moment or a break moment. >> it's most watched tv. it's important to note that paul ryan has never been on this stage before. joe biden, given he's run for president twice, i
bring bill clinton as his debate coach." that's one person's opinion of the matter. nevertheless, no chance in that happening, but we know from what david axelrod has said and others, there will likely be a strategy change for the president in the next debate. >> no one knows why the president didn't do as well. i think that you're going to see a more focused president obama. actually, a more focused obama campaign team on preparation. this is a conversation we had about mitt romney...
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it was the most watched debate since 1992, take you back, that was clinton. clinton. the first president bush, and ross perot. remember, ross perot. that was -- that was quite an election. >> lots of fodder for "saturday night live." >> dana carvey, yeah. >> democratic operatives were hoping no one was watching the debate. which they knew wasn't the case. but -- >> people thought maybe 40 million, 50 million. 67 million no one expected the number. so that really compounds how bad it was. the president had a bad night that many people watching. again, that's momentum for romney to ride. he is. >> doesn't compare to the ratings for this show. nowhere near. nowhere near. >> 67 million. child's play for the overnight. please. >>> well, a disagreement over politics got so heated that police say a south florida man slapped his own wife. 74-year-old jay harley broke down in tears as he appeared before a broward county judge. harley says he loves his wife but they got into an argument over dinner about the candidates. he has been ordered to stay away from her until another co
it was the most watched debate since 1992, take you back, that was clinton. clinton. the first president bush, and ross perot. remember, ross perot. that was -- that was quite an election. >> lots of fodder for "saturday night live." >> dana carvey, yeah. >> democratic operatives were hoping no one was watching the debate. which they knew wasn't the case. but -- >> people thought maybe 40 million, 50 million. 67 million no one expected the number. so that...
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maybe he needs to go practice with bill clinton. john kerry is not cutting it. >> he should have bill clinton in his ear the whole time the explainer in chief. i think if bill clinton, i think he should probably bring big bird with him. >> didn't big bird get fired? >> big bird, get a safe house. do it now. >> the bromance lasts until november. >> my advice is for joe biden. do not try to overwhen sate by going in there charging like the bulls of pam plo na in your debate. the only thing that may be worse than an overly passive barack obama is an overly aggressive joe biden. >> a bull in a china shop maybe. >> maybe. listen, if he's hard to control when he's on script, just imagine him unscripted in a debate. >> but the american people still like him. >> yeah. >> still like him. >> he's a likable guy. >> he's a regular joe. >> i think all republicans should love him because he is the gift that keeps on giving. >> so is paul ryan to some extent. go ahead, governor. >> it's been exactly one year since steve jobs passing. and my unsoli
maybe he needs to go practice with bill clinton. john kerry is not cutting it. >> he should have bill clinton in his ear the whole time the explainer in chief. i think if bill clinton, i think he should probably bring big bird with him. >> didn't big bird get fired? >> big bird, get a safe house. do it now. >> the bromance lasts until november. >> my advice is for joe biden. do not try to overwhen sate by going in there charging like the bulls of pam plo na in your...
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i like to know the same thing with respect to secretary clinton. at the end of the day as the senior official in the state department these were her people. they were her responsibility. she also receives daily briefs. supposed to receive daily briefs and i think the american people deserve to understand where the disconnect was and why after having been so sir responsible about that reporting the administration felt the need to cover this up going forward. martha: hillary clinton in terms of the front person speaking about all of this, and back to the seals for a moment, we all can't explain why all of our seals are in a different places around the world. is it disservice to suggest that they were there to protect ambassador stevens and he wasn't protected in some way? that is one of the questions we need more resolution on. let's take a look at sound bite comes in from a independent security contractor with regard to all of this. he says the business of intelligence has become politicized says one of the contractors who performed the evidence rev
i like to know the same thing with respect to secretary clinton. at the end of the day as the senior official in the state department these were her people. they were her responsibility. she also receives daily briefs. supposed to receive daily briefs and i think the american people deserve to understand where the disconnect was and why after having been so sir responsible about that reporting the administration felt the need to cover this up going forward. martha: hillary clinton in terms of...
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barack obama, it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus -- >> how can you be president of the united states, mark halperin and not have these basic answers? >> well, it's more the format i think than not having the answers. he spent a lot of the evening going after mitt romney for things that he thinks he can win the election on like taxes and medicare. it wasn't like he never responded to him. >> isn't the format in washington that you get in a room with someone and you go at it and try and figure it out? >> and that's what we're asking. has he been too isolated? listen, we talked to him -- the guy is brilliant. he really is. but has he become so isolated there's n
barack obama, it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton, chris dodd, joe biden, out debated barack obama in every single debate back in 2008. every single debate. chris dodd, joe biden, hillary clinton just ran circles around him and people get -- at some point you just have to say because he doesn't have his -- i mean, as great of a grasp on the issues as the people he's debating. >> that's sobering but true. i believe it's the professor versus --...
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we'll see what's going on, whether hillary clinton and the department of state is somewhat responsible for what happened. >> brian: we know the f.b.i. was in, 24 hours later, they're out. >> is that crazy? took them four weeks to get in and they stayed a minute. >> brian: we don't have access to the prisoners. >> why is the f.b.i. doing this investigation? are we going to bring the defendants back to new york and try them? down the street? >> brian: boy, do off good show lined up. >> gretchen: see you later. she has conquered the music world and she's just 12 years old. ♪ . >> gretchen: singing star jackie evancho performs live for us next. looking forward to that. >> brian: amazing. >> coming up, we'll talk about the jobs number and how relevant that headline number really is to what's going on in the u.s. economy. also karl rove will join us with his 24, 48 hours later look at the debate and what he think attention mitt romney needs to do now. and liz cheney on why the f.b.i. was only on the ground for 24 hours in libya. we'll see you at the top of the hour when bill and i join you
we'll see what's going on, whether hillary clinton and the department of state is somewhat responsible for what happened. >> brian: we know the f.b.i. was in, 24 hours later, they're out. >> is that crazy? took them four weeks to get in and they stayed a minute. >> brian: we don't have access to the prisoners. >> why is the f.b.i. doing this investigation? are we going to bring the defendants back to new york and try them? down the street? >> brian: boy, do off...